Breaking! Obama Fake ID Update! Forged Birth Certificate Fraud (VIDEO)

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Breaking update — on Obama’s forged birth certificate and fake ID! Hear Carl Gallups report current status of Obama fraud investigation — and announce deadline for release of final revelations by Maricopa County Sheriff’s office!

When will Sheriff Arpaio reveal his findings to the public? How has he proven criminal fraud and forgery? How do we know with 100% certainty that President Barack Obama’s ‘Hawaii birth certificate’ is a sloppy fraud?

Mike Zullo (Maricopa County Sheriff’s office) is going public with proof that Obama’s birth certificate, posted on the White House website, is nothing more than a crude forgery!

Does this explain why (Hawaii Department of Health) official Loretta Fuddy ‘died’ in a plane crash in the waters off Molokai? Does this explain why CNN and the entire mainstream media lied about Obama’s birthplace for 8 years? Is Obama really ‘from Kenya’ or ‘born in Indonesia?’

watch for those answers — and more!


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Here is my personal theory on who obama is, and when he’ll vanish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idefv…

Stay tuned — will we learn why obama’s hawaii birth certificate is forged? Why obama’s ct social security number (ssn) is stolen? Why obama’s selective service (draft registration) card is a sloppy obvious forgery?

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        • smrstrauss

          Obama really was born in Hawaii and really is a Natural Born US citizen, and birther sites REALLY are lying about it (Now, I wonder what their motive could be??) THAT is why the chief justice of the USA swore in Obama after each election, and it is why John McCain and Mitt Romney and Karl Rove and the Republican Party did not object to his being sworn in. (Neither did Ann Coulter or Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Ron Paul or Rand Paul or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or Michele Bachmann.) And, guess what, now Donald Trump says that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII—-PERIOD. And, that is right.

          In fact, you gotta be nutty to think that there is even a rational CHANCE that Obama was born in a foreign country.

          Here’s why: Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by (1) his HAWAII birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor of the state (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) and (3) the Index Data file and (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii).

          And there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

          And birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?) And, guess what, for the same MOTIVE as led birther sites to LIE and claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—-when she really said that he was born in Hawaii—-birther sites also are lying when they claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. It isn’t forged. They just say that it is (Now, I wonder what the motive could be?? I wonder.).

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            yes,and who do you suppose was holding a gun to her head. to make her shut up. and to change her answer. i would like to know when she died. i can’t remember.
            i really would like to know. because at the time i believe all this was going on.

            • smrstrauss

              There isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother had a PASSPORT in 1961 and it was extremely unlikely for a woman in the last few months of pregnancy to travel abroad due to the relatively high rate of stillbirths, yet poor nutty Elaine Marzano wants people to believe that both of those two highly unlikely things happened AND that a gun was being held to the head of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother to make her lie. BTW, there is no photo of a gun or a witness who says that there was one. The “gun to the head” is another of the birther myths.

              What we DO know is that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in HAWAII in three interviews. We also know that birther sites did not show all of those three and that they cut off the tape recording before Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that Obama was born in Hawaii in the one that they showed part of. They did NOT show the one in which she said that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII.

              There’s that, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmations of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, plus the Index Data file, plus the birth notices in two Hawaii newspapers and stored on two microfilm rolls in two different libraries. And, to repeat, there isn’t even a sign that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961—-and it was extremely rare for persons 18-years-old to have passports in 1961, and it was even more rare for women to travel abroad during the last few months of pregnancy due to the rate of stillbirths.

              Yet loony Elaine has the fantasy that a gun was held to the head of the Kenyan woman to make her change her answer. Nobody has claimed to have seen such a gun, yet Elaine has the fantasy that it must have been there. Poor Elaine.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            something else about you, you are so sure you have all the right answers . who is leaking them to you? especially about how many people are working in the white house. why would anybody have that information? and as far as the place of worship in the White House. what would make you think anybody would be told because he would have to admit that he is a muslim and that would not be good. so i am sure he did not need it cleaned.and it was probably locked and when he was moving it was probably taken apart by him. so their you have it.

            • smrstrauss

              The number of people who work in the White House is in this article:

              http://mentalfloss.com/article/65690/11-interesting-facts-about-being-service-staff-white-house

              And the reason that it is in the article is that it is not a secret. The people who work in the White House work for us, the citizens, and the number of staff and even their salaries are a matter of public record.

              Re: “Told.”

              As noted above, a lot of those staff are CLEANERS, and cleaners go into every room, and if they saw a Mosque, they’d probably make a mention of it. BTW, members of the Trump Administration have not noted seeing a Mosque or the remnants of one either.

    • wayne

      EVERY time someone/anyone/anywhere verbalizes the word Obama, the lie is reinforced. The odds of an oBama president charged with the job of catching an oSama bad guy, are beyond BS.
      Of all the frauds every committed, the TROJAN Barry Soetoro horse, outflanks them all, and hands down was the most OBVIOUS!
      The orchestrators (Soros & Co.) must have laughed hysterically when this guy was actually willfully elected (no need for vote manipulation fraud).
      What has sadly become American sheeple IQ and apathy, embarrasses and insults the entire human species!
      Long live Sheriff Arpaio!
      Great article!!!

      • smrstrauss

        RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

        • wayne

          I absolutely agree.
          Unfortunately the mindless sheeple outnumber the mindful people.
          NOTHING Barry has done has even been ACCIDENTALLY Pro-American.
          What you suggest is just Tobacco science. Sorry.

          • smrstrauss
            • wayne

              Nor is liking someone proof that that person was not born in a foreign country.

              The issue has nothing to do with like or dislike of someone however. I dislike deceit, manipulation, abuse, lies, fraud, monopolies, and IMPOSTERS.
              If Barry Soetoro can’t fit the glass slipper, then he’s certainly not the REAL thing.

            • smrstrauss

              You are quite right. Neither liking someone nor disliking someone is proof that they were born in any place whatever.

              SO, What is proof?

              Answer: A birth certificate is proof of someone’s place of birth, and Obama’s (confirmed by four officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii—and ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii) shows that he was BORN IN HAWAII.

            • Alan Wakefield

              ONE MORE TIME: A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH IS NOT A BIRTH CERTOFCIATE!!
              The Certificate of Live Birth is the first unofficial draft of the fact that your mother gave birth to you. Once this information is
              complete, this Certificate of Live Birth is sent to the Office of Vital Statistics or State Register to create the Official Birth Certificate.
              “Official Government Issued Record of Birth: Birth Certificate”
              For the sake of school, insurance, taxes, identification cards and travel documents, you should use your Birth Certificate. While the
              Certificate of Live Birth shows that you are medically alive, the Birth Certificate is the official record declaring your place of birth. Some people are not born in hospitals and don’t have these other records.
              The United States federal government may not take your Certificate of Live Birth for Passport purposes either. There have been some difficulties with birth documents in Puerto Rico. It is always wise to have your official Birth
              Certificate in a safe deposit box.
              Remember that the live birth hospital form is primarily for data entry purposes. YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FOR OFFICIAL RECORDING PURPOSES and will have the signature and date of a state official on the
              bottom. It should be printed on high-quality paper or cardboard with a registrar’s embossed state seal in the corner for authenticity. This official Birth Certificate will also have a registration number, so it can easily be looked up for reference.
              Law Dictionary: Difference Between Birth Certificate And Certificate Of Live Birth http://thelawdictionary.org/article/difference-between-birth-certificate-and-certificate-of-live-birth/
              And we haven’t even begun to discuss the forencic anomalies surrounding obama’s COLB.

            • smrstrauss

              Poor Alan shouts that a certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate.

              In fact a certificate of live birth is a fancy name for A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. So, BTW, is a Certification of Live Birth.

              Don’t believe me?

              Tell you what you can do to check whether I am right or poor muddled Alan is right?

              (1) Go to Google Images and search for “Mitt Romney Birth Certificate.” Then. when you see the copy, look at the headline on the top. NOTICE that it says:

              CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.

              (2) Go directly to the Department of Health of Hawaii and ASK them whether Certifications of Live Birth and Certificates of Live Birth are or are not BIRTH CERTIFICATES. Here is the telephone number:

              (808) 586-4442—call during office hours, Hawaii time of course.

              BTW, Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been proven by more than just the birth certificate.

              Obama’s birth in Hawaii has also been shown by the Index Data file and the birth
              notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could
              send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so
              for births in Hawaii).

              And there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in
              1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few
              women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the
              time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely
              things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties
              lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in
              two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been
              born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

              And birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan
              grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was
              born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their
              readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on
              their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In
              Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Now I wonder why a
              birther site would do that?)

              MOREOVER, for the same MOTIVE that led birther sites to LIE and
              claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in
              Kenya—-when she really said that he was born in Hawaii—-birther
              sites also are lying when they claim that Obama’s birth certificate is
              forged. It isn’t forged. They just say that it is (Now, I wonder what
              the motive could be?? I wonder.).

            • smrstrauss

              Actually, a certificate of live birth is just a fancy name for A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

              One way of proving that is to go to Google Images and search for “Mitt Romney Birth Certificate,” and when you find it look at the headline on the page, and you will see that it is a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.

              Another way of proving this is just to call up the DOH of Hawaii and ASK whether a Certificate of Live Birth is a birth certificate. (It is, but by all means call and check for yourself.)

              Still a third way to prove this is to imagine that Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth were NOT a birth certificate and then imagine why Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and the Republican Party failed to mention that. (Or Gingrich or Santorum or Ann Coulter.)

              BTW, Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is not by any means ALL the proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

              Obama’s birth in Hawaii has been shown by (1) his HAWAII birth
              certificate and (2) the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii including the former Republican governor of the state (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) and (3) the Index Data file and (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers and it only did so for births in Hawaii).

              And there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few
              women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

              And birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan
              grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was
              born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their
              readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on
              their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In
              Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Now I wonder why a
              birther site would do that?)

              MOREOVER, for the same MOTIVE that led birther sites to LIE and claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—-when she really said that he was born in Hawaii—-birther sites also are lying when they claim that Obama’s birth certificate is
              forged. It isn’t forged. They just say that it is (Now, I wonder what
              the motive could be?? I wonder.).

            • Alan Wakefield

              All I can do is provide the facts. Those who read them have the choice to accept of reject. When I ran across a Hillary supporter, I immediately said to them, “You believe in “evolution,” don’t you? Why do I connect the two positions, Hillary supporter and belief in “evolution?” Some of the world’s most famous ex-“evolutionists” are Professor Anthony Flew and C.S. Lewis. What caused these leading “evolutionists” to ultimately reject “evolution?” THEY CONTINUED TO SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH! In other words, theq were not lazy! The truth about Hillary was and is readily available to anyone diligent in search of truth. Finding the Truth about Hillary, NO RATIONAL PERSON could possibly have supported her criminality and sexual perverversion, with a particular desire for women, the younger the better, just ask Bill Clinton! You defend obama, so I assume you supported Hillary; Am I wrong? Having demonstrated your support of obama, i assume you believe in “evolution,” which is a demonstration of intellectual laziness. I AM NOT angry with you, smrstrauss, just disappointed that you are willing to defend something so easily debunked as the entire obama “mystique,” including his Constitutional disqualification for the office of President of the United States.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “All I can do is provide the facts.”

              Answer: NONE of those are facts. They are LIES. (Notice that there is not a single link or way of checking those “facts.”)

              Re: Evolution:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              hi, alan , did you see the answer i gave him . re: the loss of a
              birthcertificate.

            • smrstrauss

              hi, alan , did you see the answer i gave her . re: the loss of a
              birth certificate. I said that Obama and Trump and Romney all lost the birth certificates sent to their families, which is why all three of them asked for replacement copies from the DOH that issued them, and all three posted those modern replacement copies and not the ones sent to their families. However, only the officials in Hawaii repeatedly confirmed that they had sent those replacement birth certificates. Those officials in Hawaii repeatedly confirmed that they had sent both the short form and long form Hawaii birth certificates to Obama and that all the facts on the published copies of the short form and the long form are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him. In addition, alan, Obama’s birth in Hawaii was confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            • Alan Wakefield

              I did see your answer and I understand the frustration behind calling him “stupid.” His responses had already identified that particular characteristic so it was redundant. As you can determine from my responses, I tried to present rational facts to smrstrauss, facts make no difference. Strausses’ problem is his worldview and I can tell you from long experience, changing a worldview is very difficult. I like to begin with this question as a shorthand method of determining worldview: “Is God?” In asking that question, I have reference to the God of Abraham in the Old Testament, the same God identified in the American Declaration of Independence as “Creator,” “Nature’s God,” “Supreme Judge of the world” and “Divine Providence.” There ARE ONLY TWO possible answers to my question, “God is!” or “god is not!” In my paradigm “Maybe god is,” equates to “god is not!” The answer to that question reveals quite a bit about one’s worldview. For example, “god is not,” would indicate a belief in “evolution,” where else can they go? Those who say “god is not,” operate under the delusion they are “atheist.” “Atheism” is a satanic invention to disguise the fact that rejection of God AUTOMATICALLY defaults to satan worship, (two choices) just happened in the Garden of Eden when our First Parents rejected their Creator and chose to follow satan. Based on smrstrauss’ remarks thus far, it appears he has already answered my question in the negative with “god is not!” and if he cannot get that answer correct, it is simply impossible for him to get his life choices correct, like support for an obvious satan worshiper like obama. Strong words, I know, but they must be said. I call this precept, TWO CHOICES (and ONLY two choices), “The Best Kept Secret in Christendom and Judaism.” I DO NOT blame smrstrauss, or anyone else for their abysmal ignorance regarding this simple, Biblical, precept. When I hear respected Christian preachers and teachers using satanically inspired terms like “atheism, agnosticism, deism, evolution,” as if those inventions of satan actually exist, how can I blame the smrstrausses of the world for their confused worldview? Those spiritual leaders using those terms are as confused as those they mislead. Is there something un-Biblical in the fundamental precept I present? It’s time for church leaders to get on board with TWO CHOICES, the world and smrstrauss are crying out for Truth. Unless they can correctly answer “THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE UNIVERSE,” (“Is God?”), we will continue to waste time and energy on the foolishness of the present discussion with smrstrauss and millions go blithely into a dark eternity. Here is another important precept: “THERE ARE NO ‘ATHEISTS’ IN HELL!” Within a very few moments of the “atheist’s” demise, he becomes a believer, BIG TIME! How will the Church justify, to God, their continued failure and refusal to teach these easily learned, easily taught, Biblical precepts?

            • smrstrauss

              Hi: Alan, and Elaine: Did you see this?

              Mitt Romney and Donald Trump and Barack Hussein Obama ALL lost the first copies of their official government birth certificates, which is why they ALL had to ask for new copies when they were asked to show them.

              However, in contrast with Romney and Trump, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the official short form (the Certification of Live Birth) and the official long form (the Certificate of Live Birth) to Obama and that every single fact on the published copies is exactly the same as on what they sent him.

              In addition, Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              you are so full of crap. please leave my page. or I will put you out ‘

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok, stupid , did you happpen to think maybe he lost his original birth certiifcat and this is what they gave him.

            • smrstrauss

              Yes, you are right. Mitt Romney and Donald Trump and Barack Hussein Obama ALL lost the first copies of their official government birth certificates, which is why they ALL had to ask for new copies when they were asked to show them.

              In contrast with Romney and Trump, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both the official short form (the Certification of Live Birth) and the official long form (the Certificate of Live Birth) to Obama and that every single fact on the published copies is exactly the same as on what they sent him.

              In addition, Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

            • smrstrauss

              And there isn’t even proof that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy at the time due to the risk of stillbirths. Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened AND the officials of BOTH parties lied AND the Index Data and the birth notices (on microfilm rolls in two libraries) would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born in a foreign country and not in HAWAII.

              And birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?)

              MOREOVER, for the same MOTIVE that led birther sites to LIE and claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—-when she really said that he was born in Hawaii—-birther sites also are lying when they claim that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. It isn’t forged. They just say that it is (Now, I wonder what the motive could be?? I wonder.).

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              You always have an answer as dumb as it seems. but why is it being brought out this time for sure. and that his wife has some dead guys SS card .come on wake up my prince. you have been asleep long enough.

            • smrstrauss

              YOU have it wrong that Obama’s wife had some dead guy’s SS card. That was what birthers said about Obama. (Since Obama’s wife’s SS card or its number has never been released, it is not possible for them to say that she has a dead man’s or anyone’s.) And the claim about Obama’s SS card IS WRONG TOO.

            • smrstrauss
            • Alan Wakefield

              RE: The obama COLB. Is it possible to calmly and dispassionately actually examine the available facts in this venue? There are web sites available, Sheriff Arpaio’s being most prominent, (that I know of) to which we might direct each others attention, as we calmly and dispassionately search the available evidence. There may indeed be better sources than Arpaio, which I would be glad to search. Are there sites supporting the COLB as genuine. It would be disingenuous to neglect to search those sites if we are truly seeking Truth in this matter. Elaine, Rambo Ike and smrstrauss, are you up for my challenge? No name calling, no getting angry, just a calm search for the truth. Does anyone have any ideas, positive or negative? Suggestions?

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              YES, I JUST GOT A
              NOTFICATION THAT THEY HAVE A RULING ON HIS BC. HEY ARE CLAIMING IT I DEFINATELY A FAKE

            • smrstrauss

              A “ruling” by which court or which agency? And, for sure, if THEY forged it, then it is easy to get someone to agree that it was forged. But is the one that they forged the one that the White House showed—-and if they claim so, how can they prove it

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              holly cow. i don’t know yet. why they are not releasing any information is beyond me. but they must have a good reason. it ill come when they are ready.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will notice that Elaine Marzano did not even reveal who “THEY” are.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              What would make you think i would expoze some body that hasn’t told anybody who they are yet. do you.think i want blood on my hands. when i am not told something i pay attention.

            • smrstrauss

              Sure sure. Unnamed sources. Perhaps you dream that someone might believe you.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              i don’t care i you don’t believe me. Their are other people that do. i do not need you. so go on your merry way and stick with Obama.

            • smrstrauss

              Sure they do. Sure.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              right she is not a big mouth. i know when to keep my mouth shut.

            • smrstrauss

              Sure, but why should anyone believe your unsubstantiated nutty claims?

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? I JUST GOT POST FROM SOMEONE TELLNGME THAT THEY HAVE FINISHED THE BC FOR BO. AND THEYSAID IT WAS A FAKE.

            • smrstrauss

              There are people who claim that they shot Kennedy and others who think that they are Napoleon Bonapart. When you get messages from people who just might be nuts, you ask them questions like: When did you forge it? And why (who told you to do it and how much was paid?), and then “HOW did they smuggle that forged BC into the files in Hawaii?”

              And then—how did they also forge the Hawaii Index Data file and the microfilm rolls showing two birth notices (one for each newspaper) that are each in two libraries in Hawaii—-and how did they smuggle the forged four rolls in and the real four rolls out without anyone noticing?

              And then, why didn’t they forge a passport record for Obama’s mother, since without a passport she could not have traveled abroad in 1961?

              And then post the answers here (if there are any, which I doubt).

            • smrstrauss

              Here are the FACTS:

              Sheriff Joe’s “9 points” were disproved within about five hours after the press conference.

              http://imgur.com/gallery/qB8NG

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              OK, OYU WILLNEVER BELIEVE ANYHTING. DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE HIRED A WITCHTO PUTA SPELL ONTRUMP.
              HOW DOYOU LIKE THEM NOW?

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Go back and read the evidence I provided previously: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE SOMEONE IS BORN. TO QUALIFY AS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, TO QUALIFY TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES; BOTH PARENTS MUST BE AMERICAN CITIZENS AT THE MOMENT THE CHILD IS BORN. obama’s father WAS NEVER an American Citizen! This Rule of Intenational Law applies to everyone from every country on Earth.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above. (And it takes someone particularly GULLIBLE to think that if Obama were not a Natural Born US Citizen Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and Huckabee and GIngrich and Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul and Rand Paul WOULD NOT HAVE SAID SO.) Well, none of them did.

              In any case, RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • smrstrauss

              “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

              “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

              “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

              “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

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            • Rambo Ike

              Graham is a well known RINO. He never provided any original documentation to backup his claim.

              It’s become quite obvious, if you find someone who supports your partisan bias you use them, and if they don’t you discard them.

              “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth.”

              Did you forget what I showed you a couple years ago? Blackstone stated in his Commentaries that English Common Law didn’t apply in the American colonies. Samuel Adams also stated in the Boston Gazette (1770s) that the ‘learned in the law’ told him English Common Law didn’t apply in the colonies.

              You forgot to add that Meese corrected his claim in a later statement.

            • smrstrauss

              I suppose you think that Fred Thompson is a RINO too (see below), and perhaps you think that Senator Hatch is a RINO (he said the same thing), and the chief justice, and the Heritage Foundation. ALL of them (and John McCain and MItt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Ann Coulter) accepted Obama as president, not because of their political leanings but because (1) Obama really was born in Hawaii, and: (2) Being born on US soil (except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of an invading enemy army) IS sufficient for the child to be a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.

            • Rambo Ike

              Not even one of those you’ve named has ever provided conclusive incontestable physical proof for their claims, and that includes you.

              You rattle off claims based on hearsay with no original documented proof for verification. No original records from the HDoH or any hospital to verify those 2 birth notices in the Hawaiian papers.

            • smrstrauss

              All that you need to do to make a RATIONAL person begin to think that there MIGHT be a reason to question Obama’s place of birth is for YOU or another birther to provide “conclusive incontestable physical proof” that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961.

              Without that proof, the birth certificate of Hawaii showing that Obama was born in Hawaii is sufficient for any RATIONAL person.

              But there is no such proof.

              And that is not all. There is also the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN HAWAII).

            • smrstrauss

              Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.

              http://whatreallyhappened.com/

              (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

            • smrstrauss

              Here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital:

              http://voices.washingtonpost.c

            • smrstrauss

              Here is the Index Data file:

              http://www.cleveland.com/natio

            • Rambo Ike

              And rational, intellectually honest people will say that none of the people you’ve named provided any original records to back their claims.

            • smrstrauss

              Since there isn’t even evidence that Obama’s mother HAD A PASSPORT in 1961, and since at the time perhaps one in 100,000 US women traveled abroad in the last few months of pregnancy due to the risk of stillbirths, and since Obama provided exactly the same kind of official COPY of his birth certificate as Mitt Romney and Donald Trump (yes those are COPIES, not the original), and since the officials of Hawaii of both parties have repeatedly confirmed ALL the facts on his short form and long form birth certificates, the notion that Obama was born anywhere else than in HAWAII is still the stuff of FANTASY.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              beautifuy said

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              RATIONAL people will see the facts below.

          • Alan Wakefield

            I watched a YouTube video this AM that contends obama is distressed because President Trump removed and otherwise dismantled the Mosque obama had set up in the White House. Imagine that!

            • smrstrauss

              Imagine a YouTube video LYING. Imagine that. Imagine someone so GULLIBLE he believes that YouTube videos do not lie. Well, here is one that does not cite a single person, not a soul, and yet it claims that it knows (1) that Obama was “distressed” and (2) that there was a Mosque in the White House that nobody noticed before.

              BTW, Obama is not a Muslim.

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            • Alan Wakefield

              Dear smrstrauss, obama is not only Muslim, HE IS A SELF-CONFESSED MUSLIM! Look up the YouTube Video of the Sept 8, 2008 interview of obama by George Stephanopoulus in which obama publicly thanked “John McCain for not making an issue of my Muslim faith” during the 2008 election campaign. Stephanopoulus corrected obama by saying, “Your Christian faith,” to which the liar replied, “Yes, my Christian faith.” Is there ANYONE, ANYWHERE, who believes a Christian could make that kind of slip of the tongue, to say “I want to thank John McCain for not making an issue of my Muslim faith?” Its NOT JUST a slip, ITS AN ENTIRE THOUGHT PROCESS! Based on the well-estabished fact obama IS MUSLIM! Did I mention “INTELLECTUALLY LAZY” somewhere?

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts below. (BTW, it takes a person particularly GULLIBLE to believe that IF Obama actually were Muslim, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and Gingrich and Santorum and Huckabee and Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh WOULD NOT HAVE SAID SO). And none of them did.

              The facts are (1) he is not a Muslim; (2) he never said or “admitted” that he was a Muslim. Both are made up by the far right wing. They are lies. (Now, I wonder what the motives for those lies could be? I wonder.)

              Anyway, the FACTS are below.

            • Rambo Ike

              Obama is a crypto-muslim and he hates christian Americans

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “Crypto-Muslim.”

              Answer: The above statement comes only from the nighttime fantasies of Rambo Ike.

            • Rambo Ike

              From my research the earliest I found for “Crypto-Muslim” was 2004. I believe Andy Martin used it.

              Reverand Wright during an interview stated he wasn’t sure he converted Obama from muslim to christian. He also stated he made it comforable for Obama to accept Christianity without having to renounce his “Islamic background.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “Reverand Wright during an interview stated he wasn’t sure he converted Obama from muslim to christian.”

              Answer: STOP MAKING THINGS UP.

              He never said any such thing.

            • Rambo Ike

              From Ed Klein’s 3 1/2 hr interview of Reverand Wright. Klein asked Wright if he converted Obama from being a Muslim into a Christian.

              Wright: “I don’t know about that. but I can tell you that I made it easy for him to come to an understanding of who Jesus Christ is and not feel that he was turning his back on his Islamic friends and his Islamic traditions and his understanding of Islam.”

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will notice that Rambo Ike did not post a link to the alleged quotation. That’s because (1) It’s only on right-wing sites; (2) it is not a quotation from Wright; it is what Klein SAYS that Wright says.

              There is, of course, no recording of Wright saying that.

              It remains A LIE.

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              RATIONAL people should take a look at that link, and then notice that it is KLIEN talking, and not Wright. Klein says that Wright said it, but there is no confirmation at all—much less a tape recording of the alleged interview.

              In CONTRAST to Ed Klein, a correspondent for right wing sites, saying what he CLAIMS Wright told him, there are the actual recorded words of Obama at the National Easter Prayer Breakfast:

              He said: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.”

              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/03/30/remarks-president-and-vice-president-easter-prayer-breakfast

              Also there is the obvious fact that Barack Obama eats ham sandwiches and drinks beer and wine and has never been known to pray facing Mecca or to fast during Ramadan.

              Yet, because Ed Klein—a right wing writer—says that Wright told him something (for which there is not a shred of confirmation), a few nuts might just believe that Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian.

              Well, Klein is lying. That’s all. Birthers have lied and said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, and now another right-wing person claims that Wright said something to him that in fact he did not say at all. A person would really have to be GULLIBLE to believe such crap.

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              By the way, about a day ago Rambo Ike made this wild claim:

              “And yes, Obama DID maintain a mosque in the White House!”

              I replied: Please let us know ANYONE who has seen this alleged mosque. Anyone at all.”

              One reason a RATIONAL person would regard that claim as a fantasy is that the White House has an extensive cleaning staff—many of whom are Baptists (Now, I wonder why?). And not one of them has ever said that she or he noticed a “mosque” at the White House.

              In any case, a day has passed and Rambo Ike has not given a person who saw the alleged mosque in the White House.

            • smrstrauss

              ALSO, there is THIS:

              “For even after the passage of 2,000 years, we can still picture the moment in our mind’s eye. The young man from Nazareth marched through Jerusalem; object of scorn and derision and abuse and torture by an empire. The agony of crucifixion amid the cries of thieves. The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world — that the Son of Man was not to be found in His tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen.”

              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-easter-prayer-breakfast

            • smrstrauss

              Are there any RATIONAL people who believe that a Muslim would say:

              “For even after the passage of 2,000 years, we can still picture the moment in our mind’s eye. The young man from Nazareth marched through Jerusalem; object of scorn and derision and abuse and torture by an empire. The agony of crucifixion amid the cries of thieves. The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world — that the Son of Man was not to be found in His tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen.” (which is what Obama said in the Easter Prayer Breakfast, see the link above.)

              Would a Muslim say that EVEN TO APPEAR TO BE NOT A MUSLIM? (And if you think so, why would he go that far? Surely it is not necessary to appear not to be a Christian to say that Jesus Christ had risen from the dead?)

            • Rambo Ike

              Strauss is hallucinating again. It’s those voices sayings things that aren’t true.

              There is medication available for those living in a false reality

            • smrstrauss

              My apologies. It was Alan Wakefield who said “And yes, Obama DID maintain a mosque in the White House!” Rambo Ike did not say it, Alan Wakefield did.

              Well, the statement is still false, and two days have passed and Alan Wakefield has not shown a single witness to the alleged Mosque in the White House.

              One reason a RATIONAL person would regard that claim as a fantasy is that the White House has an extensive cleaning staff—many of whom are Baptists (Now, I wonder why?). And not one of them has ever said that she or he noticed a “mosque” at the White House.

              Once again, it was ALAN WAKEFIELD, not Rambo Ike, who made the nutty claim that there was a mosque in the White House.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              holy cow i did not realize you were at the white house a lot. were you invited.?

            • smrstrauss

              Here is the size of the White House internal staff (including the cleaning staff):

              ” Ninety-six people work full-time in the residence, and there are another 250 part-time employees. Among the jobs they do: butler, maid, chef, plumber, doorman, and florist. The second and third floors of the White House make up the residence.””
              http://mentalfloss.com/article/65690/11-interesting-facts-about-being-service-staff-white-house

              (NOTE that that is public information. You do not have to go to the White House and count the staff to know how large that it is.)

            • Rambo Ike

              “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”
              ~~Obama

              “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”
              ~~Obama

              “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”
              ~~Obama

              Obama believes Allah is Supreme & no other God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.

              In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan.

              The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

              “Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
              Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
              I witness that there is no god but Allah
              I witness that there is no god but Allah
              I witness that Muhammad is his prophet… ”

              According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

              Obama knows this from his Quranic studies.

            • smrstrauss

              Here is the FULL quotation in the “The future must not belong” fraction of a quotation above:

              http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp/

              (Now I wonder why the far right wing wants to present only a fraction of what Obama really said? Could the motive be just like the motive for their LIE that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews, of which they showed only PART of one of them, carefully cutting off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” And they did not show the other two interviews with her at all, and in one of them she said that the first that her family in Kenya heard of Obama’s birth was in a LETTER FROM HAWAII, and in the other she simply said that Obama was not born in Kenya—-which, BTW, the Kenyan government has said too. (But they did not show that either—-Now, I wonder why?)

              So, just like the grandmother lie, the far right are lying about Obama being a Muslim. And they “The future must not belong to” partial quotation is good evidence of that lie, and it is also excellent evidence of their zeal to lie about Obama’s religion.

              RATIONAL people realize that someone who drinks beer and eats ham and has never been noticed to pray facing Mecca and who was baptized a Christian (United Church of Christ) and who has said that Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD is not likely to be a Muslim.

            • smrstrauss

              Now as to the myth that if you say certain words you become a Muslim. That’s crap. You have to say them AND believe them, and you have to prove that you believe them. There are actually 14 steps involved.

              http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Muslim

            • Alan Wakefield

              Like obama, strauss(??) appears to be well versed in Islam. Are you Muslim, strauss(??)? Remember, as a Muslim you DO NOT have to answer Truthfully, since Muslims see non-Muslims as dogs and infidels, unworthy of hearing “truth.” However, I give strauss(??) permission to make an exception and, for once in this discussion,TO TELL THE TRUTH! I think, however, based on the evidence strauss(??) has already provided, he has indeed answered my question. He is indeed, Muslim! And now we KNOW of a CERTAINTY, NOTHING he says is to be TRUSTED.

            • smrstrauss

              While Islam allows Muslims to lie in certain cases, such as being attacked for their religion, it does not allow its members to say things like: “Jesus Christ rose from the dead” (Which Obama has said at the National Prayer Breakfast). BTW, Obama also called Jesus Christ OUR SAVIOR.

              Oh, and Obama eats ham sandwiches and drinks whiskey and has never been noticed to pray facing Mecca or to fast during Ramadan, and Alan Wakefield has so far not found one single person to confirm that they saw a mosque in the White House (which is what he claimed).

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            • ELAINE MARZANO

              did you get that.i do not think he was born a muslim. but while he was growing up. he was no angel. and i am sure he ate whatever he wanted to eat. and drink. he tried to pass himself off as whatever he needed to be. to please who ever was wanting him to do what ever they chose for him. and what makes you think everybody has a big mouth and wants to spread the dirt maybe they enjoy life too much to take a chance on losing it.

            • smrstrauss

              “”…this is a time to remember the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, to rejoice in the victory of the Resurrection and to be transformed by the renewing of our minds in accordance with God’s will.” (Obama at the National Easter Prayer Breakfast)

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              what makes you think he is being real? that is what he thinks he can make brownie points with that is what he will say. e is still fighting for the oval office. he wants to be the world leader. and he thinks he still has a chance. so he is kissing up to everyone to keep on their good side.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people realize that even when it is permitted to lie, it is not permitted to go to the extreme of saying that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and opened the way to salvation, which is what Obama said.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              yes eh did , and he said it for a reason, he does not believe it . he is fighting to fill hisdream of being the ruler of theworld. and he will do or say anything he has to so it will happen. he is going to jail before whatever will happen. bby the way i have a video but i can not sedn it to you it is about his SS caard. and hersalso.

            • smrstrauss

              Poor Elaine, a “video” that she cannot send. A “eh” for the word “he,” “sedn it” for “send it,” an alleged video about SS cards about religion or about ruling the world.

              For those who are interested in the people who support the far right wing, this is a good example of how they substitute fantasies for facts. (The FACTS are above.)

            • Alan Wakefield

              Please, strauss(??), there is NO LIE beyond the pale for the Muslim, PROVIDING IT PROMOTES ISLAM! So stop with the crap about obama eating pork, drinking whiskey and claiming Christ is his Savior. Are you ashamed of Islam, strauss(??)? Apparently you are because you will not CONFESS your Islamic faith. Muslims claim to honor the Old Testament of the Holy Bible. With specificity The Ten Commandments forbid MURDER, including the murder of oneself, SUICIDE. ISLAM REWARDS INDISCRIMINATE murder, INCLUDING SUICIDE with “72 virgins.” I read somewhere those Ten Commandment VIOLATORS also, as part of their REWARD, receive 28 prepubescent boys to round their REWARD to an even 100. (True or false?) How can you, as a Muslim, claim to honor the Old Testament, INCLUDING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and violate God’s Commandment AGAINST MURDER AND SUICIDE? In the writings of Major Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood murderer of 13 of his fellow, unarmed, soldiers, are (WERE) found these words: “That’s the difference between you (Christians and Jews) and us (Muslims), WE WORSHIP DEATH!” You can search for that quote, but will not find it. IT HAS BEEN SCRUBBED FROM THE RECORD! When I first read Hassan;s words, I was reminded, DEATH entered the universe when satan entered the garden of Eden, Who, by his own words, WE WORSHIP DEATH, does Hassan declare Muslims worship? His fellow Muslims PRAISED Hassan for his cowardly act of MURDER AND TREASON.

            • smrstrauss

              I’m not Muslim, and neither is Obama, and very few rational people believe that a man who eats ham sandwiches and who has said Jesus Christ rose from the dead and that he is “Our SAVIOR” is a Muslim.

            • Rambo Ike

              How to become a Muslim:

              Part 1, #4- Say the Shahada. If you’re absolutely sure you want to become a Muslim and fully submit to the will of God, all you need to do is recite the Shahada, a short oral declaration of faith. Be aware that once you have said the Shahada you are committed to following Islam for life. The words of the Shahada are “La ilaha illallah, Muhammadun rasulullah ” This translates to “I testify that there is no other god but Allah, and Muhammad is God’s messenger (prophet).” [5] By saying the Shahada, you become a Muslim.

              And besides, Who else but a muslim would claim the muslim call to prayer is the sweetest sound they know?

              Whomever submitted that WikiHow did some whitewashing & glossing over in parts to conceal the truth about the Islamic religious texts:

              http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

              Strauss, you’ve been brainwashed by your leftist propaganda-meisters.

              Here’s just a few of the lies Obama has told about Islam:

              ~“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”

              ~“Islam has always been part of America”

              ~“Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

              ~“Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

              In each of those claims by Obama the truth is the exact opposite.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will notice that the saying of the Shahada alone is not enough. In fact, it is only step number 4, repeat, step number 4, and the quotation clearly reads IF YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SURE. In other words, you had to do the previous three steps and then BE ABSOLUTELY sure.

              It is rather DUMB to think that just saying the words makes someone a Muslim. For example, you printed out the words, and before you printed them, you read them, and when you read them you MIGHT have moved your mouth—and if you did, then YOU would be a Muslim.

              But, no, there has to be three steps before saying the words and you have to BE ABSOLUTELY SURE.

              And now, a question for RATIONAL PEOPLE:

              Is there even a remote chance that you believe that a man who eats ham and drinks beer and wine and has never been known to pray facing Mecca or to fast during Ramadan and who has said that Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD is a Muslim?

              A second question: Is there a remote chance that you’d believe someone who says that merely saying some words makes you a Muslim, when the text that the person quotes actually SAYS that that is the fourth step and only after the other three steps and you being ABSOLUTELY SURE is it effective.

              See the 14 steps needed to become a Muslim below.

              BTW, regarding the “sweetest sound.” The Muslim call to prayer just says “come and pray. That’s all. Some people prefer the sound of church bells, which also say “come and pray,” and others prefer the sound of the human voice. That’s all.

              http://lincmad.blogspot.com/2013/10/debunking-obama-is-anti-christianity.html

              (See #2.)

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              BTW, Obama said this at one of the Easter Prayer breakfasts:

              “For even after the passage of 2,000 years, we can still picture the moment in our mind’s eye. The young man from Nazareth marched through Jerusalem; object of scorn and derision and abuse and torture by an empire. The agony of crucifixion amid the cries of thieves. The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world — that the Son of Man was not to be found in His tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen.”

              https://obamawhitehouse.archiv

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              answer meone question who are the Rational people that you keep talking about

            • smrstrauss

              That question say it all. Poor Elaine Marzano does not know what a rational person is.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              evidently you don’t either. that must be a filler for you when you cant’t think of what to say. i know what it means i just never see anyone that fits the bill.

            • smrstrauss

              That statement says it all. Poor Elaine Marzano has never met a rational person.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok ,enough of your garbage. i don’t are about a rational person, if they are like you i don’t need to meet them.

            • smrstrauss

              Of course. Of course you “don’t are.”

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              THAN YOU SO MUCH FOR JUMPING IN AND TACKLING HIS HIGHNESS. I APPRECIATE IT AND FOR SAYING ABOUT HIS HATEING CHRISTIANS. HE HATED EVERYONE WHITE ALSO. I HAVE SOME VIDEO’S THAT TELL A LOT. BUT MY CRAZY FRIEND WHO TELLS ME NONE OF THEM ARE REAL. IWISH HE WOULD DISAPPEAR OUT OF MY PAGE. OH WELL. HANK YOU AGAIN.

            • smrstrauss

              There is absolutely no evidence (which is what rational people desire) that Obama is either a “crypto-muslim” or a Muslim, and the same goes for Elaine Marzano’s nutty comment that Obama hates all white people (By far the majority of his staff were white).

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              yes because he knows how to play hthe game. he is alot smarter than you. and where were you when he declared he was a muslim. give it up .

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            • ELAINE MARZANO

              yes he has , over and over. and his friend hiliary changed he religion to muslim. come on be honest.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Did you bother to look up that YouTube video? I know you have no desire to be confused by facts, but obama DID say “I want to thank John McCain for not making an issue of my Muslim faith.” The September 8, 2008 YouTube video IS STILL AVAILABLE! The SAD TRUTH is this, even after you see I am correct, your “love” for obama WILL NOT CHANGE! Facts DO NOT change worldview.

            • smrstrauss

              Let’s see. John McCain did NOT say that Obama was a Muslim. John McCain did not say that Obama was a Muslim. In fact, in a town hall meeting John McCain told a woman who questioned him that Barack Obama WAS NOT A MUSLIM.

              So Obama says that he thanks McCain for not making an issue of his faith being Muslim. And YOU think that because maybe Obama got a word mixed up, that makes Obama a Muslim—even though that is precisely what McCain said that he WASN’T, and even though Obama eats ham sandwiches and barbecued ribs and drinks beer and whiskey and has never been known to pray facing Mecca five times a day or to fast during Ramadan.

              http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

              BTW, Obama has called Jesus Christ “Our SAVIOR” during the National Easter Prayer Breakfast.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Why would I look to McCain when I have the words of obama in that video. I have covered, in detail, the IMPOSSIBILITY of a Christian making a slip of the tongue “I want to thank John McCain for not making an issue of my Muslim faith!” That statement REQUIRES AN ENTIRE THOUGHT PROCESS, NOT JUST A SLIP OF THE TONGUE. You ARE NOT the least bit interested in Truth, are you, smrstrauss? Did you even try to find that YouTube video? The Bible tells us satan is “the father of lies and liars.” Here is the entire Scripture: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of
              his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” New Testament,Gospel of John, chapter 8, verse 44.
              It occurs to me, strauss(??), you may indeed, be Muslim. Your Holy Qu’ran absolves you from penalty for lying if done in the name of, and for the promotion of, Islam. The Ten Commandments and “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” clearly DOES NOT apply to the Muslim defending Islam. Are you aware, strauss(??), some Three Hundred and Fifty Million (350,000,000) Muslims have converted to Christ in the last 10 to 15 years? Six million in North Africa alone convert to Christ every year! What have they learned that their fellow Muslims (and strauss?) have not yet learned? And yes, obama DID maintain a mosque in the White House! As for obama calling Jesus Christ “Our savior,”: at the national prayer breakfast, see above note, “Your Holy Qu’ran absolves you from penalty for lying if done in the name of, and for the promotion of, Islam.” obama was invited to speak at Georgetown and Notre Dame, two of the most renowned Catholic Universities in the U.S. Before he would appear, obama DEMANDED every single Christian symbol BE REMOVED OR COVERED! Who is fool enough to believe a Christian would EVER make such a demand??
              To their eternal SHAME, both Georgetown and Notre Dame acceded to that Muslim’s demand!

            • smrstrauss

              Re: ” I have covered, in detail, the IMPOSSIBILITY of a Christian making a slip of the tongue “I want to thank John McCain for not making an issue of my Muslim faith!”

              RATIONAL people will see the FACTS above.

              BTW:

              Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

              Judge not, that ye be not judged.

              For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

              And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

              King James Version (KJV)

              Re: “And yes, Obama DID maintain a mosque in the White House!”

              Answer: Please let us know ANYONE who has seen this alleged mosque. Anyone at all.

            • Alan Wakefield

              strauss(??) tells us, “You CAN trust me but DON’T TRUST ANY YOUTUBE EVIDENCE!” When, pray tell, has evidence EVER mattered to strauss(??)? In his perverted worldview, he simply disregards ANY AND ALL facts contrary to his “faith.” Despite the fact Christ loves him,I suspect it the better part of wisdom to simply ignore this person.

            • smrstrauss

              I repeat. Please let us know ANYONE, anyone, anyone, who has seen this alleged Mosque.

              BTW, here is what Obama said during one of his Easter Prayer Breakfasts:

              “In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” He fell to his knees, pleading with His Father, saying, “If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” And yet, in the end, He confronted His fear with words of humble surrender, saying, “If it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

              So it is only because Jesus conquered His own anguish, conquered His fear, that we’re able to celebrate the resurrection. It’s only because He endured unimaginable pain that wracked His body and bore the sins of the world that He burdened — that burdened His soul that we are able to proclaim, “He is Risen!”

            • smrstrauss

              Alan Wakefield has CLAIMED that someone discovered a Mosque in the White House, but Alan Wakefield has not provided one single person who has seen the alleged Mosque. Not one, nada, zip, zilch, the big duck egg.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Search “obama creates mosque in White House” Strauss(??) has provided plenty of evidence that strauss(??) will not bother to search “Did obama create a mosque in the White House?” As for the related question “Is obama Musllim?” I present the following for your edification:

              “President Obama Next Week Will Open The Largest
              American Mosque In The World Built Here In The U.S. He Will Be
              Accompanied By Antichrist Erdogan of Turkey And Together Will Enjoy The
              Sounds Of Allahu-Akbar.”

              By Walid Shoebat on March 25, 2016 http://shoebat.com/2016/03/25/president-obama-next-week-will-open-the-largest-american-mosque-in-the-world-built-here-in-the-u-s-he-will-be-accompanied-by-antichrist-erdogan-of-turkey-and-together-will-enjoy-the-sounds-of-allahu/ “is there a Muslim congregation, anywhere in the world, that would permit a non-muslim to open a new Mosque? Please, strauss(??) do not allow me to intrude on your world of dreams, falsehoods and fantasy. So you can just continue on your way of ignoring facts and pretending you are fooling someone, other than yourself, of course.

            • smrstrauss

              To repeat: Alan Wakefield has CLAIMED that someone discovered a Mosque IN the White House, but Alan Wakefield has not provided one single person who has seen the alleged Mosque. Not one, nada, zip, zilch, the big duck egg.

              BTW, Erdogan, a Muslim, opened the Mosque. Obama didn’t. Obama did not even attend the opening (see picture.)

              https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2016/04/02/erdogan-opens-maryland-social-complex-and-mosque-in-us-with-message-of-peace-and-faith

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok, i do not think it was a mosque but maybe a very small prayer room.that he could hide somewhere that it would not be visable to anybody. and i am sure that is what Alan meant. but it would have been easier to say that then explain a prayer room

            • smrstrauss

              He said a mosque. By the way, since every room must be cleaned, even a small one would be visible to the cleaning staff.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Look up the videos about the mosque and special Muslim prayer time set aside by obama EVERY day.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok i will. did you see the artical they put in here about Mark the owner of FB. oh boy it is scary.

            • Alan Wakefield

              I did not. Where can I find it?

            • smrstrauss
            • smrstrauss

              To make it easy for you, here are links to some of the nutty stories:

              https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=videos+mosque+in+the+white+house&*

              Notice that they are all on birther sites or far right wing sites, and none of them has a lick of confirmation.

              Once again, there is an extensive cleaning staff in the White House, and if they had noticed a Mosque, they would have said so, and the Trump Administration has not mentioned finding any relics of a Mosque left behind.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              yo are h eiiot . htye would not put it out their for anyone to see.. if oyu beiev that is not true just be patient and wait y ill ge tto see it eventually.
              .

            • smrstrauss

              Cleaners clean EVERY room. There can be NO hidden rooms to cleaners, and not one single one of them has said that she or he noticed A MOSQUE. (That’s because there wasn’t one.)

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              EVERY ROOM BUT THE ONE’S THAT ARE LOCKED AND THEY ARE TOLD TO STAY OUT OF

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              how would you know so much about the white house. be honest!!!

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok, but no need for that now they have discovered the locked room.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “…..they have discovered the locked room.”

              Answer: Stop making things up.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              why would i do that. they were cleaning the white house and they came across a door that was locked and nobody knew why.so they went to the president and told him about it and he found the key and they opened it. and guess what they found. a very small prayer room .

            • smrstrauss

              STOP MAKING UP THINGS. Your dreams about “they found a locked room” and “guess what they found” are just dreams. To convince people that something really happened, you have to show that there is evidence that it happened, not just your dreams.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              my god you are such an idiot . i do not want to talk to you anymore get off my page or will take you off.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • smrstrauss

              Rational people (or for that matter anyone) can see some links to some of the nutty stories below. (They will have to decide for themselves whether or not they stories are nutty, of course, but those links make up many of the claims.)

              HOWEVER, no PERSON has actually stated that she or he has seen a Mosque in the White House, and since there is plenty of cleaning staff, there were a lot of people who could say that they saw it IF they saw it. NO person has said that she or he saw a mosque in the White House.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok, enough, he has enough on his plate. i say leave him out of your conversation for a while. maybe i wiil let you torture me for a little while longer..

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              Hi. i thought i scared you away when i told you i thought i loved you. i was only kidding.

            • Alan Wakefield

              See reply just posted. Nothing wrong with expressing feelings,. I understood your message and appreciate it. Thank you.

            • Alan Wakefield

              By the way, I was in hospital for awhile and was unable to respond sooner. NOT GOOD NEWS, but a serious challenge. More serious even than strrusses'(??) delusions.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              oh my god, what is wrong? please tell me. i will pray for you. you make #5 so far 3 of them are on line actually one is on Disqus. my goodness is your wife taking care of you.? please let me know asap’

            • Alan Wakefield

              Heart cath because of general weakness and shortness of breath, Had other tests, EKG and Echo, that indicated arterial blockages. NOT interested in bypasses or other open heart treatment. Reading Dr. Stephen Sinatra and Dr Esselstyn from Cleveland Clinic who have developed a dietary, exercise and vitamin protocol to reverse these problems. My wife had a valve replacement at Cleveland Clinic from which a problem developed and her quality of life has been to reduced to ZERO since that operation 5 years ago.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              oH, i am so sorry. i had a heart ablation done at the clinic n 2001 and so far i have had no problems . i am so glad that you are taking care of it. are you from OHiO. that is where i live. i am sorry about your wife. it must be very hard for you to see her like that. i live aout 25 minutes from the hospital. But we have a clinic also in willoughby and that is about 5 minutes from my house . i am sorry that you are going thru all of this. if i can help you please let me know.

            • Alan Wakefield

              We live in a small town about half hour drive east from Pittsburgh. We have great hospitals in Pittsburgh. In retrospect we probably should have had the valve replacement right here, but we read that Cleveland Clinic was number one for so many years and their opening was so much smaller, about a two inch incision, we opted for that. It was my wife’s bad luck to have a leak in the aorta which filled the pericardial sac and stopped her heart. Fortunately she was on the operating table in Presbyterian Hospital, 16 HOURS AFTER WE LEFT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC when her heart was crushed by the leaked blood and stopped, After resuscitating her they opened her chest to do the repair work and ADD ONE ADDITIONAL SUTURE TO THE AORTA. So now we had the large scar in the middle of her chest we had gone to Cleveland to avoid. The original two inch incision? Not even visible today.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              i am glad to see you stillahvvee a sense of humor

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ciao, i hope you will feel better. you should be resting. please get back to me as soon as you can.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              Hi, how are you ?? are you on your new diet and doing what the Dr. said? i am about ready to cut him of of my page. I thought i would check wiht you first.Only because i want to make sure you are thru with him. i am sure you do’t need the aggravation of this person to make your condition any worse .

            • Alan Wakefield

              Been researching Dr, Esselstynn’s plant-based diet on YouTube. My wife and I are both going that route. His wife Ann, by the way, is the daughter of the founder of the Cleveland Clinic.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              wwo that is great. do you live in ohio? OH boy i hope they can help her also that woud be great. ok you got the cream of the crop.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “IMPOSSIBLITY.”

              You should consider the IMPOSSIBLITY of a Muslim saying this:

              “In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” He fell to his knees, pleading with His Father, saying, “If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” And yet, in the end, He confronted His fear with words of humble surrender, saying, “If it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

              So it is only because Jesus conquered His own anguish, conquered His fear, that we’re able to celebrate the resurrection. It’s only because He endured unimaginable pain that wracked His body and bore the sins of the world that He burdened — that burdened His soul that we are able to proclaim, “He is Risen!” (And that is actually what Obama said in one of the Easter Prayer Breakfasts.)

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              i told you once before , He is way smarter then you. he knows how to play the game , he has been doing it all his life. he is an expert at it.

            • smrstrauss

              The facts are above, and rational people can see them for themselves.

            • smrstrauss
            • ELAINE MARZANO

              I think i love you, you are so cool. He is always saying we have no back up for what we are saying. i can’t wait to read his post.

            • smrstrauss
            • ELAINE MARZANO

              id you bother to watch the video he told ou about . ell i did andhtat whole ,mess is explained and he did tell everyone that hei a muslim. i suggestyou watch it before oyu go any further.

            • smrstrauss

              I watched it, and NO, he did not say that at all. BTW, did you read this quotation?

              Obama said during the National Easter Pray Breakfast:

              “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.”

              https://obamawhitehouse.archiv

            • smrstrauss

              Obama also said:

              “For even after the passage of 2,000 years, we can still picture the moment in our mind’s eye. The young man from Nazareth marched through Jerusalem; object of scorn and derision and abuse and torture by an empire. The agony of crucifixion amid the cries of thieves. The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world — that the Son of Man was not to be found in His tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen.”

              https://obamawhitehouse.archiv

            • Alan Wakefield

              Why in the world would I believe for one second ANYTHING spoken by someone whose “faith” COMMANDS them to lie to promote their “:faith? ALL available, rational evidence regarding obama SCREAMS: “I AM MUSLIM!!” “THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND IN THE WORLD IS THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER IN THE EVENING!” You forgot to include that quote in your “obama quotes.” By the way, the link you provide, https://obamawhitehouse.archive/, DOES not FUNCTION.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “Why in the world would I…?”

              Answer: I post for RATIONAL people, so Alan might not believe, but they WILL.

              (1) the sound of the call to prayer IS beautiful, just as church bells are beautiful.

              (2) Expressing an OPINION about whether a sound is beautiful (calls vs bells, Mozart vs Bartock) is not an expression of religions faith.

              (3) While the Muslim creed does ALLOW lying in special cases where the individual could be harmed by revealing the truth about his faith, it does NOT encourage doing such things as eating ham sandwiches and drinking whiskey and SAYING THAT JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD (see below)—–all of which Obama has DONE.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: The link does not function. The White House is now under the Trump administration, so the archives of his predecessor might go down from time to time.

              Still, I find that this is still online (as of this date):

              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/05/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast

            • smrstrauss
            • smrstrauss

              And this:

              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/04/29/statement-president-occasion-orthodox-easter

              BTW, that has this quotation within it:

              “…this is a time to remember the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, to rejoice in the victory of the Resurrection and to be transformed by the renewing of our minds in accordance with God’s will.”

            • smrstrauss
            • smrstrauss

              And this:

              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2012/04/04/easter-prayer-breakfast-white-house

              And that contains these words:

              “In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.” He fell to his knees, pleading with His Father, saying, “If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.” And yet, in the end, He confronted His fear with words of humble surrender, saying, “If it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

              So it is only because Jesus conquered His own anguish, conquered His fear, that we’re able to celebrate the resurrection. It’s only because He endured unimaginable pain that wracked His body and bore the sins of the world that He burdened — that burdened His soul that we are able to proclaim, “He is Risen!”

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              I bet he has a good excuse for this one. i am sure he knew that before he sent it out

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts below.

            • smrstrauss
            • ELAINE MARZANO

              ok, right their i now you are wrong do you know how many people worked at the White House. How long and how much they were waiting to tell all. just give it up.

            • smrstrauss

              Answer: “Ninety-six people work full-time in the residence, and there are another 250 part-time employees. Among the jobs they do: butler, maid, chef, plumber, doorman, and florist.”

              http://mentalfloss.com/article/65690/11-interesting-facts-about-being-service-staff-white-house

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              good for you, now what does hat tell me? nothing .

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              by the way what do you do as a job? i guess you don’t work.

            • smrstrauss

              The polite way to ask that question, or any personal question, is to say: “I work in X. Or I’m retired—what do you do?”

              Well, who cares about Elaine being rude?

              (I’m retired.)

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              no one care because it isn’t that important. if i am rude that is the way it goes.

            • smrstrauss

              Not only rude, but a rude nutcase. (Elaine Marzano has said on this site that there must have been a Mosque at the White House, even though the cleaning staff did not notice it, and there must have been a gun held to the head of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother to make her change her story—-even though nobody who was there mentioned a gun.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will have to form their own conclusions about the above admission. By far most rational people would say, if 96 people work full time in the White House and there are 250 part time employees and NONE of them have mentioned that there was a Mosque in the White House (or even suggested that the press should check it out, speaking as a source), then there isn’t much chance that there is a Mosque in the White House.

              Sadly, Ellaine admits that the facts do not tell her anything.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              oh yes the rational people above will figure it out.

            • smrstrauss

              Yes they will.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              how can you sit their and talk about what other people are doing when you have been traveling with a closed mind. and where do you come off being a spell checker. you are the rudest man in the whole world. and i am closing you out. i have been wanting to do this for a long time , you are fired. Wow that feels great.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              wow alan, it must b a sad day for him LOL. these are the kind of things most people don’t get to see

            • smrstrauss

              See below.

            • smrstrauss

              This guy actually believes the claims without any verification at all on a YouTube video.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            really you are so cool.

      • ELAINE MARZANO

        Beautifully said, Wayne. sorry it took me so long to read this post . but i have been so busy i am read fora vacation. but i don’t see that coming for a while. maybe i will be able to tell you some things that are goin on..

    • smrstrauss

      A question for those who dream that Obama’s birth certificate is forged:

      Have you EVER seen a birther site say that you could scan your own birth certificate or any document on security paper, then compress the result and put it into PDF and then open up that PDF file in Adobe Illustrator and see whether layers are normal or not?

      I have been looking for years—and I’ve never seen such a thing (THIS site certainly does not do it).

      You know (or you SHOULD), that there is an obvious reason that they don’t tell you that you can perform an experiment to find out whether layers occur naturally.

      The reason is that, yes, they occur naturally.

      They hope you will not try that experiment because YOU WILL SEE LAYERS. That’s because that is normal. That is what happens when a complex document (and one on security paper is always complex) is compressed, put into PDF and then that PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator. PDF is designed to work with layers, and Adobe is designed to identify them when a PDF file is opened with Adobe.

      So, The SleuthJournal claims that layers prove that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. Yet The SleuthJournal does not tell you that you can scan your own birth certificate or any document on security paper, compress the result, put it into PDF and then open up that PDF file in Adobe Illustrator and determine for YOURSELF whether layers are normal or not—now, perhaps you might wonder why The SleuthJournal does not do that. What do you suppose the motive might be?

      Perhaps it is the same motive as in the birth claim that Obama was born in a foreign country let birther sites not to tell you some rather important FACTS:

      (1) When birther sites DO NOT TELL YOU that there is no evidence that Obama’s mother even had a passport in 1961 and that very very few 18-year-olds did have passports at that time, a rational person would conclude—maybe they are trying to fool me.

      (2) When birther sites DO NOT TELL YOU that EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in the last few months of their pregnancy in 1961 due to the chance of stillbirth, a rational person would conclude—maybe they are trying to fool me.

      (3) When birther sites do not tell you that FOUR officials of Hawaii including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) have all confirmed that they sent the short form and long form HAWAII birth certificates to Obama and that ALL the facts on the published copies are exactly the same as on what they sent, a rational person would conclude—maybe they are trying to fool me.

      Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Layers are normal when a complex document has been scanned into PDF and that file is opened with Adobe Illustrator, and Obama’s mother did not make the a long and expensive trip to Kenya ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961). Nor were Obama and his mother two of the only 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 as the Immigration and Naturalization Service report for that year shows. Nor is the government of Kenya lying when it says that Obama was not born there.

      BTW, Loretta Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin’s), and all three of the others are still alive.

      And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

      So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat and she was certainly the only one on that plane over the age of 65—and her photos show that she was hardly in great shape for a long swim—but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong, and a lot more RATIONAL, than the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate—-when there isn’t even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

      And, Obama really was born in Hawaii—-as his Hawaii birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show. And, once again, there isn’t even proof that his mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did at the time), and even fewer, EXTREMELY few, women traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths.

      Yet BOTH of those highly unlikely things would have had to have happened, and the four officials including the former Republican governor (a strong supporter of Sarah Palin) would have had to have lied, and the Index Data and the birth notice microfilm rolls would have had to have been forged for Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii. And, birther sites LIED when they said that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She really said that he was born IN HAWAII in three interviews of which birther sites showed their readers only part of one, carefully cutting off the tape recordings on their sites just before she was asked where he was born and replied: “In Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.” (Now I wonder why a birther site would do that?)

      • smrstrauss

        No answer yet.

      • Alan Wakefield

        See above posting to understand why obama IS NOT a Natural Born Citizen and thus disqualified to be president of the U.S. If you wish to become expert on Natural Born Citizen you will study this site: http://www.newswithviews.com/Publius/huldah110.htm. Don’t bother visiting that site unless you are honestly seeking truth. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE obama WAS BORN. The Constitution MANDATES the president MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN! That means BOTH parents MUST BE United States Citizens AT THE TIME of the child’s birth. obama’s father WAS NEVER a Citizen of the United States. Ergo, obama IS NOT a Natural Born Citizen. Under the Constitution of the United States obama is DISQUALIFIED from holding the office of President of the United States. If the United States is to be a nation governed by Rule of Law, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW! How we doin’ with that? In order to answer that question you MUST KNOW the answer to this question in RE: Rule of Law. “Whose law, What Law?” You’ve NEVER heard that asked, have you?

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “That means BOTH parents MUST BE United States Citizens AT THE TIME of the child’s birth.”

          Answer: Poor Alan thinks that he and a birther site understand the US Constitution better than the chief justice of the USA plus John McCain and Mitt Romney and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

          The chief justice swore in Obama after each election, and John McCain and Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and the Republican Party did not object to his being sworn in. (Neither did Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee or Ron Paul or Rand Paul or Michele Bachmann.)

          Why did NONE of them object?

          Because, of course, poor Alan and that birther site have the meaning of Natural Born Citizen wrong. Birth on US soil is sufficient (except for the children of foreign diplomats and members of an invading enemy army).

          “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

          “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a
          well-known Conservative organization.]

          “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the
          other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal
          (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

          “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            like i said the same crap is repeated over and over. when are you going to stop this nonesense. if you can’t do it i will do it for you. you can not change things to fit your idea as to what you want it to be. and i jut glanced at your next post, and it is the same as all the other ones. sorry but i have a lot of people to answer. and you have taken up a lot of my time. the only good thing is i have met a lot of new people…

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people can read the facts above.

      • ELAINE MARZANO

        you know what, i am so tired of reading the same post from you. you have repeated this crap over and over and over . same answers andquestions. i am getitng tired of trying to explain to someone that thinks he knows everything and not listen to what anyone else that seems to know more then you.why don’t oyu plese find another site too fight with.?

        • smrstrauss

          RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

      • Alan Wakefield

        strauss(??), you neglected to mention some pertinent facts in your narrative: Loretta Fuddy was a member to the Subud Religious Cult, the same Subud Religious cult of which obama’s grandparents were members. Do you not find that strange or vaguely suspicious in any way? I find it enlightening you neglect to make mention of that fact. Here is an excerpt regarding Loretta Fuddy’s suspicious death: “On December 11, 2013, Fuddy was declared deceased after the single-engine airplane in which she was traveling on official business was forced to make a water landing. The pilot, Clyde Kawasaki, whose skills were credited with making the expert landing after the plane’s engine failed, was reportedly shocked to hear that Fuddy had died, as when he last observed her, she was floating in the water along with the other survivors, all of whom, INCLUDING FUDDY, had donned life vests under his supervision. More than a month after her death, an autopsy reported allegedly stated that Fuddy died of cardiac arrythmia, although her brother Lewis was quoted as having said that SHE DID NOT HAVE A HEART CONDITION! Police were quoted as saying that her death ‘was accidental.’” Reminds me of the murder of Ron Brown. The stewardess who climbed onto the rescue helicopter under her own power, arrived at the military hospital in Germany dead of a broken neck! What did she know that cost her her life? What did Fuddy know about the obama “birth certificate” that cost her her life? “Indonesian-born Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo, founder of Subud, BEARS A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE TO barack Hussein obama.” (see website here: http://maxonemedia.com/media/2014/01/28/the-mystery-of-obama-widens-who-is-mohammed-subud-and-the-subud-cult/.) The deeper one excavates into the sewer that is obama’s history the more “solid waste” one discovers. Digging through the BS that is the obama history, one NEVER finds answers, ONLY MORE QUESTIONS. Really strauss(??), you appear to posess some intelligence (NEVER confuse intelligence with WISDOM. The Holy Bible constrains us, “Get Wisdom!”) “Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.” Old Testament, Book of proverbs, 4:7. Are you beginning to get a clue, strauss(??). Proverbs 4:7 perfectly explains your dilemna. Intelliigence? Not an issue. I think you have clearly demonstrated your intelligence. Your lack of WISDOM you have also clearly demonstrated; therein lies the rub. NO WISDOM, NO UNDERSTANDING! In the rehab business (my son and I rehab old homes) we have a phrase, “You can’t polish a turd.” And that is exactly what you are trying to do with obama. DO YOU REALLY, WITH ALL YOUR INTELLIGENCE, LACK THE WISDOM TO REALIZE obama IS A GENUINE TURD! in all our discussion we HAVE NOT lowered ourselves to discuss his “sexual history.” And we will not go there now, except by reference. You are far too intelligent to not be fully aware of the VERY DARK SIDE OF THE obama HISTORY. That history is a record of some “really turdy stuff,” don’t you agree? So “turdy,” in fact I am not comfortable in discussing it further here. So, strauss(??), you have to make a serious life decision, ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE POLISHIN’ THAT TURD?

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “Loretta Fuddy was a member to the Subud Religious Cult,”

          So BIRTHERS say, no proof whatever of it.

          Re: “the same Subud Religious cult of which obama’s grandparents were members…”

          So BIRTHERS say, no proof whatever of it.

          Re: “Do you not find that strange or vaguely suspicious in any way?”

          Answer: It’s not strange or vaguely suspicious at all that BIRTHERS would make up the story that Obama’s American grandparents and Fuddy were members of the same cult. (Now, I wonder why they would want to MAKE UP such a story???)

          Re Fuddy’s death. Yes, she was the only one on the plane to die. She was ALSO the only one on the plane who was over the age of 65, and she was also obviously NOT in great shape for a long swim, judging by her photos.

          Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate including the former Republican governor of Hawaii (a friend of Sarah Palin’s), and all three of the others are still alive. And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is also confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii back in 1961 (and only the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the paper, called the “Health Bureau Statistics” section, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii). So, if she were murdered (which is unlikely and the police in Hawaii say that he died from an irregular heartbeat, but say that she had been murdered) then the motive for the murder could have been that she was about to cut someone out of her will or a jilted lover did it, or she was about to investigate a major drug company. All of those motives are just as strong as the notion that Obama killed one of four officials who confirmed his birth certificate—-when there isn’t even a shred of a hint that she was going to change her story and NOT confirm it.

          Okay, so now consider Fuddy’s death. The birther claim that she was murdered requires (1) the plane was made to crash, and (2) the murderer could not have been on the plane or else he or she might die in the crash (and very few professional murderers want to get on planes that they know will crash). So birthers worked out the fantastic notion that the plane was deliberately crashed in the water by the pilot and there were frogmen waiting in the water who then gave Fuddy, and Fuddy alone, an injection that made it seems that she died of an irregular heartbeat.

          Yes the plane crashed. Yes, Fuddy was the only one to die, but the stuff about the Subud cullt is a birther fantasy, and the notion that the plane was made to crash and that there were frogmen waiting in the water or that the murderer was on the plane and took the chance of dying himself knowing that it would crash is LUNACY.

          And Obama’s birth in Hawaii REMAINS proven by (1) his birth certificate from Hawaii (short form copy and long form copy); (2) the confirmation of all the facts on those two documents by four officials in Hawaii (of whom Fuddy was only one, and the three others included the former Republican governor); (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the Department of Health of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send birth notices to that section of the newspapers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “A striking resemblance.”

            You did not look very closely did you? Well, look again. Notice that Subud has STRAIGHT hair (Yes, Indonesians have straight hair). Then look at Obama’s picture again. Notice that his hair is kinky?

            Unless you look at things for yourself, you wind up believing people who claim “a striking resemblance.”

            But not only is the hair different (and Obama’s mother’s hair also was straight), but Subud was about 5’4″ tall, and Obama is well over six feet tall.

            “A striking resemblance” in a single black and white photo in which YOU did not look closely at the hair, and in which YOU did not ask how tall the man was. Yes, that is what happened with YOU and with the other poor GULLIBLE nuts who thought that there was “a striking resemblance.”

            LOOK again. See that his hair is straight? Ask again, how tall was Subud? Learn that he was short. Obama’s real father had kinky hair (because his mother had straight hair) and Obama’s real father had to be tall (because Obama’s mother was short).

            GULLIBLE.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “Loretta Fuddy was a member to the Subud Religious Cult,”

          Answer: So BIRTHERS say, no proof whatever of it.

          Re: “the same Subud Religious cult of which obama’s grandparents were members…”

          Answer: So BIRTHERS say, no proof whatever of it.

          Re: “Do you not find that strange or vaguely suspicious in any way?”

          Answer: It’s not strange or vaguely suspicious at all that BIRTHERS would make up the story that Obama’s American grandparents and Fuddy were members of the same cult. (Now, I wonder why they would want to MAKE UP such a story???)

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “Fuddy’s suspicious death.”

            What is suspicious about woman over the age of 65 (the only person on the plane over 65) and in obviously poor shape judging by her photos from dying of a heart condition attempting to swim.

            Here’s the alternative. (1) the “murderer” had to be on the plane and aware that it was going to crash so that she or he could be there to give an injection to Fuddy. (The problem with this is. duh. you could give the injection on land and not risk the life of the murderer, or anyone other than Fuddy.) Or, you’d have to have frogmen in the water, waiting for the “crash” at exactly the right spot so that they could swim up to Fuddy and give her the injection. (Some birthers actually have suggested this.)

            BTW, Fuddy was just one of FOUR officials who confirmed Obama’s birth certificate, and the other three are still alive, and more importantly, there isn’t a smell of a particle of a hint of any indication at all that she was about to change her story and say that Obama was not born IN HAWAII. (There is no indication that she was about to claim that 2+3 equals 7 either.)

    • GODSxADVISER

      How weak and stupid is America ! You have humu Aberdeen who had access to top secret documents and is apart of Muslim brotherhood and their family business was funded by same group who funded terrorism . Now one man was able to sit in office of U.S. presidency , make laws and get payed for help destroying America’s Rights . Why no let north Korea run government for awhile or a monkey that can do signed language ? Lol , How much can the brainwashed compliant public take . start measuring your ankle for your ball and chain

      • ELAINE MARZANO

        oK, Gods x Advisor what makes you think we do not know this.? it is a sad day when we have someone that has given up on God tries to tell us how stupid we are because we have a new president that you don’ t like. well we are sick of your so called posts that maybe you are saying we don’t know what we are doing. that is why we voted for Donald Trump. but there are, still fighting the non believers. we have a real mess to clean up it was an 8 year mess made by the previous administration. it took him 8 years to make it so how can you expect to clean it up in 40 days. most people understand this. so take your complaint to a higher court.

    • Alan Wakefield

      It DOES NOT MATTER WHERE obama WAS BORN! The ONLY issue is, IS obama A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN? A Natural Born Citizen is someone whose both parents are native born or naturalized citizens of the nation AT THE MOMENT the child is born. Both parents could have been born in China, naturalized as Citizens, AND THEN have a child born on the Moon. That child would be a Natural Born Citizen of the nation to which they are naturalized citizens. barack obama’s father WAS NEVER a United States Citizen, THUS AND THEREFORE barack obama IS NOT a Natural Born Citizen of the United States! barack obama could not be AND NEVER WAS President of the United States! The FACT barack obama IS NOT a Citizen of the United States is another major issue that disqualifies obama from the presidency. The forencic evidence proving the fraud of his criminally culpable Certificate of Live Birth is more than enough to send obama to jail. The irrefutable evidence of the fraudulent COLB proves ONE THING, NO, TWO THINGS: obama DOES NOT HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE! obama IS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!

      • smrstrauss

        Re: “A Natural Born Citizen is someone whose both parents are native born or naturalized citizens of the nation AT THE MOMENT the child is born.”

        Answer: THAT is wrong. And it is very obviously wrong. One sign of how wrong it is is that the chief justice of the USA (who knows the US Constitution, even if you disagree with him on some rulings) swore in Obama after each election. Another sign that it is wrong is that John McCain and Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Karl Rove and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY (all of whom have top constitutional lawyers on their staffs) did not object to Obama’s being sworn in. Neither did Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Ron Paul or Rand Paul or Michele Bachmann or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee.

        In fact, every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats and of members of an invading enemy army is a Natural Born US Citizen.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”—The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett)

        “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”—Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

        “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

        • Alan Wakefield

          In a law suit my son and I brought against our city in 2005, we demanded a “trial by a jury of our peers who understood the Constitutions, state and federal, well enough to protect their Rights as well as ours.” The judge to whom we directed that DEMAND advised us, “You are asking for a jury of Constitutional scholars. To do that I would have to impanel a jury of judges.” Not wishing to be held in contempt, I did not reveal my response to the judge’s dumb remark, which is this: I have NEVER run across a judge who demonstrated THE LEAST KNOWLEDGE of our Constitutions. You pay Income tax which is a gross violation of your Inalienable Right to Contract. You pay sales tax, another gross violation of your Inalienable Right to Contract. You rent space of a public street when you put money into a parking meter. Who owns that public street? Does the city, county, borough, town, village, municipality own that street which then gives them the right to rent it? Under the Law Dictionary definition of Inalienable we learn: “Rivers and highways are Inalienable.” Very clearly NO MUNICIPALITY OWNS THE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS! HOW IS IT LEGAL TO CHARGE US FOR PARKING ON A PUBLIC STREET? HOW IS IT LEGAL FOR US TO BE FORCED TO PAY TOLLS? We also learn Inalienable Rights CANNOT BE GIVEN AWAY NOR TAKEN AWAY! Under your Inalienable Right to Contract you have also the Right to Work. Government comes along and and says we have decided you DO NOT have the Right to Contract, We have converted that Right into a privilege, a privilege for which you must now pay. Same for the other items I mentioned, strauss(??), and those legal geniuses you mentioned have said nothing and done nothing to protect your Rights and mine. Have you EVER heard a “judge” speak out against these gross violations of your Rights? They DON’T EVEN KNOW THESE GROSS VIOLATIONS OF OUR RIGHTS AND THEIR OATHS ARE TAKING PLACE. So strauss(??) stop wasting your time quoting fools! Have any of those other “legal experts” ever spoken in defense of your Rights? Every single one of them, before taking public office, raised their hand and gave their Oath of Office they would protect, defend and obey the Constitution, meaning they would protect and defend our Rights guaranteed by the Constitution(s). WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN? How many of those “legal experts” are even vaguely aware of the meaning of the raised hand while giving the Oath? The raised hand signifies you are calling upon the God of the Holy Bible as Witness to your Oath. It further signifies your are possessed of the Lawful Standing to call upon God, meaning you are a true worshiper of God, who else but a True Worshiper would possess authority to call upon Him as Witness? There is more to that but that is enough for now. By the way, my son and I, not lawyers, fought that case through the Court of Common Pleas for two and one half years. We won that case.

          • smrstrauss

            Elaine Marzano, one person, has her one view of what the Constitution means. She’s entitled to it, but we live in A REPUBLIC, and in a republic the court system, with the US Supreme Court at the top, decides what the Constitution means. And, in addition to the legal scholars quoted there are about 10 appeals court rulings ALL of which went against the “you gotta have two citizen parents” theory. (Yes, I can provide quotations if you’d like).

            ALSO, the “you gotta have two citizen parents” side appealed at least one of those rulings (the Farrar case in Georgia) to the US Supreme court, and the US Supreme Court turned down that appeal, and that means that the ruling of that appeals court and the others that rules the same way STANDS.

            In addition, (1) The chief justice of the USA (who knows the Constitution even if you disagree with him on some things) swore in Obama; (2) John McCain and Mitt Romney and the Republican Party, all of whom have access to Constitutional scholars, did not object to Obama’s being sworn in. BTW, Donald Trump refers to himself as the 45th president of the USA, so Obama had to be the 44th.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              why are you using me to prove a pointless point. i do not claim to know everything, unlike you. but i think you have met your match. you can say what you want about me i do not care. Why you ask, because i have been lucky enough to have someone on my site that finally has made you understand that you are not right about everything. sad day for you. Awww but no sympathy here. by the way you can pick on me for a little while yet. got my second wind.

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people can see the facts above.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              what are you saying,hat they have the right to ignore the constitution?and another thing.you are telling us that the above named people did not say anything when he was sworn in.what could they say he was on his best behavior. ho could we have known he was the devil. and you know that. And i thought that they got the new BC from Kenya.

            • smrstrauss

              Actually, I’m saying that THEY KNOW THE CONSTITUTION and you do not. That’s all.

              BTW:

              “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              you are out of here i can not stand anymore of your blind attitude.

            • smrstrauss

              The facts are above.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            good for you.

            • Alan Wakefield

              You might enjoy my latest post to whats-his-name.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Found the OBOT on Facebook and other websites, Search smrstrauss on Facebook. Not certain if the OBOT is one person or several, male or female. All that is CERTAIN, the OBOT is a confirmed, unrepentant, irredeemable LIAR. Appears to be involved in some kind of mental gymnastics, masking serious psychosis, a psychosis that, apparently, drives his compulsive “turd polishing.”

            • smrstrauss
            • ELAINE MARZANO

              Wow , thank you . i ma not sure about him either. all i know id some times i have to get off of disqus and away from him. he continually repeats the same stuff over and over.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              Alan that was a beautiful report. did you type that whole report.? it was so long . thank you for the time and effort you put into it.

            • ELAINE MARZANO

              oh boy it is so good to have you here. you are great.

        • Alan Wakefield

          Here is the definitive and authoritative site defining the Natural Born Citizen: http://www.newswithviews.com/Publius/huldah110.htm Of course, the “Legal expert,” strauss (??), need not waste his valuable time following this lead. For those of you honestly seeking Truth, this article by a retired lady lawyer is the very best information I have ever read regarding the subject Natural Born Citizen. Reading it you will become more expert on this subject than the persons strauss(??) referenced. strauss(??), the Muslim, for reasons previously disclosed, has a peculiar aversion to Truth, not unlike his Muslim hero, obama. ( I await with baited breath strauss’s(??) brilliant retort)

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “Definitive and authoritative site defining..”

            Answer: In YOUR opinion.

            However, it isn’t accurate in the opinions of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and John McCain and Sarah Palin and Karl Rove and the Republican Party, all of whom allowed Obama to be sworn in as president and NONE of whom said that he was not eligible because he did not have two citizen parents.

            And, guess what, not a single member of congress said that Obama was not eligible because he did not have two citizen parents.

            Here is a more accurate site:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

            • smrstrauss

              And here are some of the many appeals court rulings specifically on Obama’s eligibility on the issue of the claim that two citizen parents are required. And, the fact is that ALL of the rulings were for Obama’s eligibility and NONE of them were for the alleged two citizen parent requirement (BTW, the Minor v. Happersett ruling of the US Supreme Court did not say so either).

              Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”

              Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

              Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

              Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

              Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”

              Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”

              Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

              And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of the last of the rulings shown above, the Farrar case, which had ruled that “children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.” By rejecting the appeal, the US Supreme Court allowed the ruling of the lower court to STAND.

            • smrstrauss

              Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency…”

              Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

            • smrstrauss

              Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

              Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

              Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”

            • smrstrauss

              Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”

              Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

              And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of the last of the rulings shown above, the Farrar case, which had ruled that “children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.” By rejecting the appeal, the US Supreme Court allowed the ruling of the lower court to STAND.

            • Alan Wakefield

              Karl Rove, “swamp dweller,” was actively working to elect Hillary Clinton. By his own admission he was doing market research on what she should include in her speeches. The other “swamp dwellers,” the so-called Republican “elites,” were and may indeed still, be decidedly anti-Trump. The controlled “fake media” made it very uncomfortable for anyone, including Palin and Trump, to voice questions about obama’s fake COLB. Palin strongly supported Trump in questioning that fraudulent document. As I wrote previously, I have done lots of legal research and have reviewed lots of legal argument. As any “judge,” even an unofficial one like myself, at some point one has to draw a conclusion from the evidence he has reviewed. Part of the consideration of the evidence is analyzing WHO has done the research and WHO is presenting the evidence. You must consider their objectivity and other possible motivations. By their own testimony, both Sheriff Arpaio and Mike Zullo, began their investigation with the objective of proving the COLB genuine. They had no axe to grind, they had no animosity toward obama, and they had no motive of personal profit, NOR HAVE THEY GAINED ANY! They, in fact, because of their search for truth, they have become the target of a great deal of criticism and derision, No one has questioned their bona fides as individuals and investigators.THAT WILL SURELY COME LATER since they have inadvertently become the leading researchers into the obama “Birth Certificate” fraud. I can only hope Trump will appoint a special prosecutor to properly investigate that document and if he does, Arpaio and Zullo will most certainly be called as witnesses. As for me, I HAVE ALREADY CONCLUDED, BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY ARPAIO AND zULLO, obama IS NOT ONLY NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, obama IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN! obama should be imprisoned for the fraud he has perpetrated upon the United States Citizens. Those who knowingly supported that fraud should also be prosecuted for their part in the obama fraud and deception. He and “Michael” obama at the VERY LEAST of their manifold crimes, stole ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ($100,000,000) from the American taxpayers for their “endless” vacations. Once Trump investigates the obana fraud, the readily available evidence will result in those “supreme Court “appointents” by obama will be found fraudulent and Trump will have two additional Supreme Court justices to nominate in addition to hundreds of lower court appointments. I CAN HARDLY CONTAIN MY EXCITEMENT AT THE PROSPECT OF obama AND HIS CO-CONSPIRATORS IN JAIL!

            • smrstrauss

              RATIONAL people will see the facts above.

            • Debra Mulgrew

              oh the corrupted people love corrupted people but now it will bite them in the ass

            • smrstrauss

              And do you also believe in the Tooth Fairy? (Rational people will see the facts above.)

    • ELAINE MARZANO

      i would like to say thank you for having the nerves to be involved in this rant. just really want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    • Alan Wakefield

      I found whats-his-name on another site, last post 8 months ago, where he is spouting exactly the same nonsense and getting the exact same responses. I popped my last post regarding “polishing” on that site just in case anyone happens to log in. Could Soros be paying him?

      • smrstrauss

        If you are referring to me, I’m not paid. Are you?

        BTW, the FACTS are still there above for any rational person to read.

        • Alan Wakefield

          No, I am NOT paid. Rational? The OBOT, demonstrably IRRATIONAL, keeps making reference to “rational people,” obviously having not a clue as to “rationality.” NOW, A GIFT, OF TRUTH, FOR THE OBOT: Well, well, well. Found “smrstrauss”(??) on Facebook. He (or she) is not who, or what, he (or she) implies he (or she) is, apparently I am correct with my designation, strauss(??) indicating that satan worshiping OBOT iS NOT REAL! As a dyed-in-the-wool, confirmed LIAR, this satan worshiper has CONFIRMED himself (perhaps themselves) as sons and daughters of satan, “father of lies and liars.” “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” Holy Bible, New Testament, Gospel of John, 8:44. To all who are following: Do you see how easy this is? When you ask the Right question and more importantly, when you answer that question correctly, you will have the tools to identify the satan worshipers of the world. The RIGHT QUESTION, THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE UNIVERSE, IS THIS: “Is God?” Of course I make reference to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, identified in the American Declaration of Independence as “Creator,” “Nature’s god,” “Supreme Judge of the world” and “Divine Providence.” More important than THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION is the answer, Everyone answers, everyone MUST answer, NO OPTING OUT. Our life choices are our answer. The OBOT, by his (or her) continuing stream of lies, has fully answered. There ARE ONLY two possible answers to the question, “Is God?”, “GOD IS!” or “god is not!” (“Maybe” counts as “god is not) The God we worship has Ordered His children, “THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!” YOU SHALL NOT LIE! By his/their continuing stream of lies, the OBOT has declared “god is not!” Thus clearly identifying the OBOT as “satan worshiper.” The Bible contrains Christ followers: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (test) the spirits whether they are of God…Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” Ibid, 1 John 4:1-5. I suspect the OBOT is far too foolish to even consider the fact I have just done him (or her, or them) a great favor, an ETERNAL FAVOR.

          • smrstrauss

            The FACTS are above—but to make it easy to see them again: (1) the FACTS show that Obama was born in Hawaii; (2) the facts show that Obama is a baptized Christian who has called Jesus Christ “Our SAVIOR” during the National Easter Prayer Breakfast, and who eats ham and pork and drinks beer and whiskey and has never been known to pray facing Mecca or to fast during Ramadan.

    • Alan Wakefield

      Matthew Henry, Bible scholar, Minister and voluminous writer and Bible commentator of the early 18th Century sent strauss(??) a personal message: “There are none so deaf as THEY WHO WILL NOT HEAR. None so blind as THEY WHO WILL NOT SEE.” As you consider Henry’s loving message, strauss(??), you will note refusing to hear and refusing to see are acts of the will. Yes, when I refer to whats-his-name, I make reference to strauss(??). Does Soros hire Christ worshipers? I know Soros, satan worshiper, and promoter of satan worshipers, does indeed hire satan worshipers. Some commit the blasphemy of calling Soros Jew. That is BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY DEFINED: Any word, any deed, any thought contrary to the WORD OF GOD IS BLASPHEMY. Here is the definitive proof Soros is a satan worshiper: “I know the BLASPHEMY of them which say they are Jews, AND ARE NOT! They are the synagogue (church) of satan!” Holy Bible, New Testament, Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, chapter 2, verse 9(b). In whose church or synagogue do you suppose strauss(??) worships? “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Ibid, Gospel of Matthew, 7:20. While you are still breathing, strauss??), you still have time to make a course correction. A warning to those who are fool enough to say (Ibid, Old testament, Psalms 14:1), “There is no God,” within a VERY FEW moments of their demise they will realize they MADE A VERY SERIOUS ERROR IN JUDGMENT. “Who loves ya, baby?” (Kojak), he who lies to you or he who ALWAYS tells you the truth?

      None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
      Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/matthewhen189365.html
      None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
      Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/matthewhen189365.html
      None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
      Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/matthewhen189365.html
      None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
      Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/matthewhen189365.html

      • smrstrauss

        (1) the FACTS show that Obama was born in Hawaii; (2) the facts show that Obama is a baptized Christian who has called Jesus Christ “Our SAVIOR” during the National Easter Prayer Breakfast, and who eats ham and pork and drinks beer and whiskey and has never been known to pray facing Mecca or to fast during Ramada.